Where Is The Love?

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Last week, there was a Torah lecture at Shdema. Some “rabbi” spent some time mumbling about redemption and mashiach. Then, on Sunday, a bunch of pseudo-nationalist, allegedly Jewish politicians came to walk around and pose for the cameras. Today, there is going to be a lecture again, by some other “rabbi”. In between, there have been some picnics, too. Between the cookie crumbs and the speechifying, I am sure the goyim building full speed down the hill from Shdema are shaking… with laughter and contempt.

If you want to know why the goyim honestly doubt our right to the Land, look no further than Shdema!

Dear reader, let us have an analogy. Imagine if some out-of-town thug comes along and terrorizes your neighborhood. Then he comes to you and says “Hey, I’m a peaceful guy. I’m just misunderstood. Give me the rights to half of your wife and we can make peace. You can have her Sunday, Monday and Tuesday and I’ll have her Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. We’ll put her under joint control on Saturday so we can have her at the same time.” Suppose all your neighbors agree that you should, for the sake of peace, give the thug half your wife. They all get together in front of your house, call you a warmonger and an obstacle to peace and noisily demand that you give up your wife this instant for the good of the entire neighborhood.

Would you give up your wife for peace? No! You love your wife and you would never give her to a stranger. It doesn’t matter what the neighbors think or don’t think, it does not matter what arrangements are offered, it does not matter what the consequences are. You do not give up that which you love.

Now let us have another analogy. Suppose some thug comes along and starts raping your wife. Do you stand idly by and make flowery speeches about how much you love her? Do you write her some love poetry while the thug is brutalizing and tormenting her? No! You come to the defense of your wife. It does not matter if he is a hundred and fifty kilo gorilla and you are a pencil-necked geek with a glass jaw. It does not matter if he’s got a gun and you are unarmed. It does not matter who is yelling at you to stand back so you do not “add to the violence”. It doesn’t even matter if you are going to die. You are fighting to protect that which you love. That which you love is more precious to you than life itself! You fight and you die to protect what you love.

And what of a Homeland? How does a man relate to his Homeland, land of his forefathers, land that he loves? Does he offer to give up pieces of it for the sake of peace? No! No! A thousand times no! Ten thousand times NO!

You do not compromise about your Homeland. It is your HOMELAND. It is SACRED. It is more precious than your life, more precious than the lives of millions, more precious than the lives of friends and siblings and wives and children and elders. It is more precious than anything else in the world. It is the HOMELAND. You LOVE it. You do not give it up. Not a city, not a town, not a village, not an island or a field or a rock or a grain of dust or a blade of grass! Not a millimeter! Nothing! Never! Not for peace, nor promises of peace, nor trade agreements, nor loans nor even for the whole assembled riches of the entire world! If you are willing to barter it away, to give away even a single grain of sand, it is not your homeland! It is not sacred to you. You do not love it. If there arises among you one who claims to be of your people but who agrees to give up even a square millimeter of the Homeland, then he is NOT of your people. You spurn him, silence him, beat him, drive him out of your midst, kill him if you must. But you NEVER listen to traitors who seek to surrender any part of the Homeland for any reason whatsoever. You CERTAINLY do not permit them to sit in ministerial chairs, to walk the streets without fear, to dominate the media and command the armies.

For that matter, armies of normal people do not obey orders to surrender parts of the Homeland. They mutiny. They stage coups. They massacre traitors on sight, even if the traitors be their own generals.

Nor does a normal public tolerate armies or governments or a media that permit or advocate the surrender of the Homeland. The people revolt. They take to the streets. They hang traitors from lampposts, even if they have to hang their entire ruling elite.

And when a foreigner invades the Homeland, what do normal people do? Do they stand idly by and make pretty speeches while the enemy occupies pieces of the Homeland and sets up shop as if at home? No! They fight!

You fight for the Homeland you love! You die, if need be, to protect the Homeland you love! You NEVER rest, you NEVER stop, not for a day, nor an hour nor a minute! While even a single square millimeter of your Homeland is occupied by foreigners you fight and fight and fight and do not count the cost, even if it be for a thousand years, even if it be over a swamp or a single barren hill or an outcrop of rock in the middle of a desert!

You do not care if the enemy is strong and you are weak. You do not care what weapons your enemy has. You do not care how many men you lose or how much treasure you spend. You fight!

If the enemy comes by surprise with brand-new state-of-the art He-111s loaded for bear and all you have are I-16s that have been obsolete for ten years, you do not quit. You get in your planes and you rise to meet the enemy. And it does not matter if there are eight of them and two of you. It does not matter if you have ten hours in the cockpit and every one of them has a hundred. It does not matter if your fuel gage reads empty. It does not matter if you have barely enough ammo for a single, desperate burst. You are fighting for your MOTHERLAND, for your SACRED, PRICELESS HOME, for the land of your fathers and their fathers and their fathers before them, all the way back to Rurik and Oleg and Ilya Muromets, back in time until history fades into myth and legend. They fought for the Motherland and bled for the Motherland and died for the Motherland. AND THEY ARE ALL WATCHING YOU!

And so you rise to meet your enemy and you pick a bomber and you dive at his tail, into a hail of bullets from the whole enemy formation, and you RAM the son of a bitch! And it does not matter that your life will end in a shower of metal fragments and burning gasoline. It does not matter that your wife will cry over a postcard. It does not matter that there won’t even be a coffin or a grave for your son to visit. You are fighting for your Homeland! It is more precious to you than anything else!

If the enemy is entrenched with bunkers and artillery and all you have are your rifles and some hand grenades, you do not quit. You pick up your rifles, you go forth to meet your enemy, you attack into a hail of bullets. You shoot your weapon and you throw your grenades and when you can do nothing else, you throw yourself at the bunker and you cover the embrasure with your chest so your comrades can take the position! And it does not matter that you will die in agony as the machinegun shreds your lungs and heart and liver. You are fighting for your Homeland! It is sacred! It is worth your life!

If the enemy has more carriers than you have fishing boats, if he can produce more in a day than your country can produce in a year, if he has weapons you cannot even match and a technological superiority so great that he slaughters a hundred of your soldiers for every one of his own, you do not quit. It does not matter if defeat is inevitable. It does not matter if there is no more food and no more ammunition and no more gasoline. It does not matter if tomorrow you will be down to fighting the greatest industrial power in the world with bamboo spears. You load your planes with explosives and enough fuel for a one-way trip, you say your prayers, you drink your sake and you rise to fight your enemy! You go out there and you see his mighty fleet, and you pick a ship and you dive into a hail of antiaircraft fire and you ram into the deck of that carrier! And it does not matter that your body will disintegrate in a fireball of burning fuel and explosives. It does not matter if your sacrifice buys only a month or a week or even an hour! You die for your Homeland, for the land of your ancestors, the land that you love, the land that is more precious to you than anything else in the world and you consider it an honor and a privilege!

Between 22 June 1941 and mid-1943, Soviet pilots performed over two hundred ramming attacks. But British pilots also rammed enemy planes at the Battle of Britain and Americans rammed Japanese planes over the Pacific. Aleksandr Matrosov may have gotten the fame, but there were hundreds of other men who repeated his feat and dozens who preceded him.  There were thousands of kamikaze, but German pilots also flew suicide missions at the end of the war and, had there been invasions of Britain or the United States, American and British pilots would have flown them also.  There is no veteran on any side in any real war who does not know of someone who willingly threw away his life in order to gain victory for his comrades.

These were not acts of lunatics or fanatics. Those who performed them were not supermen but ordinary people, dear reader, like you and me. They were normal people fighting for their Homeland, fighting for that which any normal man loves more than life itself, more than his wife or child or mother or anything else in the world. THAT is how normal people relate to their Homeland, be she Russia or America or Germany or Japan or any other land.

So what are the goyim to make of the Jews of the Holy Land, with their “peace” processing? What are they to make of those who are willing to give up half of what they claim to be their homeland in exchange for some piece of paper? What are they to make of those who claim to love the Land yet, in the same breath, agree to discuss evacuating pieces of it and then proceed to shamelessly haggle about the price in dollars and security guarantees? What are they to make of those who make pretty speeches while enemies invade and rape the land they claim to be their home?

Look at Shdema! Down the hill are goyim raping our precious, tiny Homeland, the sacred Land given to us by the Almighty Himself, and we respond with TORAH LECTURES and PICNICS and SPEECHES?!

And who are the “rabbis” who give these so-called “Torah Lectures”? What kind of “rabbi” dares to deny that when aliens attack the Jewish People in the Holy Land, it is the obligation of every Jew to rise immediately to the defense of the Land and the People? Do not depend on Vienna Mike. Here is the Rambam, Hilchot Melachim, 7:4: “…in a milchemet mizvah, the entire nation must go out to war, even a groom from his chamber and a bride from her chuppah”. Fools may misinterpret the prohibition on women wearing swords in Nazir 59a and moronically treat firearms as if they were swords, but to those with brains the meaning is clear as day! What “rabbi” dares to deny this Halacha? What “rabbi” dares to give a “dvar Torah” on any other subject while our Land is under attack day and night, occupied and ravaged by inhuman Amalekite beasts? Such a man is no rabbi!

What are the goyim to make of these protestations of “love” for the Land from those who refuse to fight for it, from those who refuse to die for it, from those willing to SELL it if the price is right? Of course they believe the whole think to be some kind of greedy kike trick, a ploy to swindle somebody out of land and money! Not one of them would EVER spurn and desecrate his Homeland the way the Jews of the Holy Land spurn and desecrate their Divine inheritance! Where is this “love” that the Jews claim to possess for the Land? WHERE?!

Well, dear reader, it is easily found. There is a People in the Land who has NEVER compromised, NEVER surrendered willingly even a square millimeter! There is a People in the Land who fights and fights and fights and does not count the cost! There is a People in the Land who faces ultramodern tanks and planes with molotovs and rusty RPGs! There is a People in the Land who slaughters without mercy anyone who even DARES to mention retreat, or surrender or compromise, anyone who dares to mention the mere possibility of trading away even a single grain of sand, even for all the riches of the world! There is a People in the Land who, deprived of modern missiles, builds giant model rockets out of sewer pipes and sugar and fertilizer to fire at their enemy and, when it cannot even build rockets, sends selfless warriors, men, women, even children, to walk amongst their enemies with bombs strapped to their bodies and detonate in their midst!

You want to see true messirut nefesh? You want to see true love of the Land? You want to see those who treat the Land as their Homeland and not as some kind of disposable diaper to use and throw away? You need not look far!

…even the bride from her chuppah…

…even the bride from her chuppah…

Look at your enemy, the enemy that Hashem in His infinite wisdom has raised up to teach, shame and chastise you in order to drive from you the kelipot of galut! Look at those who show true LOVE for the Land! Look at those who show true FAITH in their god! Look at the sons and daughters of a slave, risen to teach Honor to the Firstborn of the King of Kings! Look and be ASHAMED!

11 Tammuz 5769

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19 Responses to “Where Is The Love?”

  1. Greg Cheslow Says:

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443725800&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    Allow me to reiterate how much respect I have for your apparent tactical acumen while also reiterating the scenario of amicable divorce between Jews and Israelis that will maximize the potency of these tactics. As I’ve said (and will continue to say as this option becomes more and more mainstream), the Jews of Yosh should adopt the disassociation from Israel you astutely advocate (though in a less militant fashion), and then prepare for Palestine’s full descent into anti-Semitic policies while nurturing a culture of sustainability, defensibility, industry (with a focus on businesses that are useful during wartime), fertility (to fill the ranks), and separateness (just to encourage the Arabs’ hatred).

    I don’t expect a response, as we’ve already been through this. I will say, however, that I will be traveling through Yosh shortly to gather views from Jews living there on how many of them would be willing to remain on that land if it is handed over to the Palestinians.

  2. sk Says:

    “the Jews of Yosh should adopt the disassociation from Israel you astutely advocate (though in a less militant fashion), and then prepare for Palestine’s full descent into anti-Semitic policies while nurturing a culture of sustainability, defensibility, industry (with a focus on businesses that are useful during wartime), fertility (to fill the ranks), and separateness (just to encourage the Arabs’ hatred).”

    I don’t know if Mike will respond, Greg, but I’d say that the quoted language is so vague that it is meaningless. Please operationalize. Pretend you’re a scientist. Specifically, please begin by indicating (with appropriate 95% confidence intervals) how long the Yesha Jews will have to “prepare” and “nuture a culture of sustainability,” etc. Please indicate the number of Jews you expect to take this gamble. That sort of thing. No flights of fancy will count as a satisfactory answer.

    I just wrote something on my own blog about a Jpost piece from the young proto-leftist Abe Selig in which some professors (e.g. “Professor” Richard Samuels from MIT) were used by Dalia Rabin as convenient mouthpieces. It was such an obvious piece of junk that I was actually surprised it was published. Then I started reading asinine articles from a charlatan named Peter Berkowitz, who has written for the “conservative” and neo-con Weekly Standard. I think he will be next in line for attack on my blog.

    I mention all this because the hooey you have written here has much in common with the output of such esteemed luminaries.

  3. Greg Cheslow Says:

    Sk,

    This is long. Hang in there.

    I shall restate my stance now and also address your queries.

    Essentially, I agree with Vienna Mike that Israel’s secular/religious identity crisis (the Arabs are another issue altogether) is best solved by establishing a separate halachic Jewish state. No two-state solution between Jews and Arabs on such a small tract of land will solve the conflict, especially as long as Arabs maintain a growing population in the Galilee and northern Negev (not to mention the Arabs’ oft-publicized goal of reclaiming Falasteen from the crusading Zionists). Therefore, any Israel/Palestine paradigm only puts off the inevitable. Nevertheless, Israel/Palestine could serve a useful purpose.

    Though I disagree with the stratagem of waging a brutal guerilla war on Israel in order to assert a separate national identity (Yehudah), I understand the desire to finally rid oneself of the pseudo-Judaic state that arrogantly displays the Menorah as its national emblem even as it conducts its annual Hellenist Maccabee games (a true abomination of the memory of those proud Jewish fighters). Nevertheless, I maintain that conducting this national divorce amicably maximizes advantages on several fronts.

    1) The halachic issue of Jews fighting Jews is rendered irrelevant.

    2) A two-front war (Jews fighting against both Israelis and Arabs) is turned into a much more reasonable one-front war (Jews fighting Arabs).

    3) The Jews secure for themselves a considerable support system. I maintain that Israelis (religious and secular) and rich Diaspora Jews would be much more willing to underwrite and staff a guerilla campaign if they do not need to revisit bad memories of Jew-on-Jew violence. By killing rich, spoiled, secular Israelis in Tel Aviv (many of whom hate Arabs), you not only invite upon yourself the near impossibility of winning a two-front war against the determined Arabs and the hi-tech Israelis, you also alienate yourself from a massive pool of support from both Israel and the Diaspora.

    How is this amicable divorce conducted? The answer is by establishing an organized Palestinian Jewry that is vigorously fertile, relentlessly productive, irritatingly tribal, and disassociated from Israel.

    During my first exchange with Vienna Mike and a few of his subscribers, I mentioned that Arafat had said at one point that he would be amenable to a Jewish minority in a future Palestinian state. I had also heard and read the issue broached occasionally by various Israeli pundits in articles and lectures. Since then, I have provided links to articles demonstrating that Ahmed Qureia (chief Palestinian negotiator) and Salam Fayyad (Palestinian prime minister) would be willing to allow Jews to remain in Judea and Samaria.

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1088237.html

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443725800&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    Also, I have seen the issue raised more and more in various other articles. A recent example is http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1095237.html

    This all leads me to believe that, as the Israeli administration grasps the impossibility of maintaining a benign occupation and as the Palestinian administration recognizes the impossibility of uprooting hundreds of thousands of Jews, the scenario of a Palestinian Jewry is becoming more and more likely.

    Palestinian Arabs are already willing to allow settlers to remain in Yosh. Jews could encourage this development by taking down Israeli flags (not burning them), refraining from celebrating Israeli national holidays (not damning them), and publicly declaring their disappointment with (not outrage at) the secular Zionist project. “We’re going back to waiting patiently for Moshiach…the real one.” It is important that the Arabs no longer see the settlers as agents of Israel, but instead as a reasonably well-behaved and economically productive future minority in a Palestinian state. You know, those good old-fashioned docile Jews we always read about in history books covering Berlin or Baghdad.

    But what are we to make of a Jewish minority in Palestine? What do the history books tell us about reasonably well-behaved and economically productive Jewish minorities in Berlin and Baghdad? They tell us that Jews face animosity nearly wherever they go (and especially where they succeed). From Pharaoh to Hitler, the trend of paranoia over us growing too numerous and/or powerful is tried and true. The point is to encourage and ACCELERATE this well-worn process by being…

    1) Industrious – Establish the economic disparity between hard-working Jews and less-motivated Arabs. Collect financial influence. Focus on businesses that are useful during wartime. For example, Vienna Mike says in the comments section of “Two States for Two Peoples” that Jatropha can be used for both biodiesel and cover for ground operations. Fine, so those farmers in Yitzhar can plant a field of Jatropha next to their vineyards. Someone once told me that you can use PVC pipe to make rocket launchers. Fine, so build a factory that produces PVC pipe. Both enterprises are innocuous during peacetime and useful during wartime.

    2) Fertile – Fill the ranks. Israeli Jews bite their nails over the Arab demographic threat in the Galilee. Give the Palestinian Arabs a demographic threat to worry about. Even if the threat is negligible, there is no good argument against having more Jews in Yosh.

    3) Sustainable – All the stuff VM talks about. Compost toilets and what not. It will help to raise the necessary spartan society and, again, make the population more formidable during wartime.

    4) Tribal – Avodah Ivrit all the way. The Arabs can look, but they can’t touch. Piss them off.

    Advancing a Palestinian Jewish culture encompassing these facets will allow the Jews of Yosh to become increasingly powerful while inviting animosity from their Arab hosts. When persecution is finally dealt out, the Jews (with nearby support in Israel, camaraderie from the Diaspora, and a determination to hold the holy ground) can throw a historical curve ball: retaliation. I’m not talking about the Warsaw Uprising. I’m talking about Bar Kochba, Judah Maccabee, and possibly Vienna Mike if he chooses to reveal himself eventually (hopefully he has a more Hebraic name than his online alias). I’m talking about the birth of a nation. I’m talking about everything Vienna Mike talks about in his excellent writings on self-liberation.

    As far as time, I think we’re talking about years, not weeks or months. Between the IDF gradually withdrawing and the PA trying to show the world that it can do the democracy thing (in return for more aid, not because of genuine interest), the Jews of Yosh may be able to raise a generation until things get truly bad. Or, maybe Hamas will take over right away and accelerate things even more. But either way, I reject Vienna Mike’s notion that these new Palestinian Jews would be instantly consumed in a Holocaust of hatchets and knives. I am going to copy and paste an abridged version of my answer to that claim from another comment of mine:

    __________

    “I understand that you think the Muslims want to instantly slaughter the Jews. I maintain that such a situation will arise eventually, but it will take time. Fatah will be operating under the auspices of the international community and will instantly lose the legitimacy and money it needs if it immediately embarks on a campaign of genocide (or does not actively prevent a genocide at the hands of Hamas). The nascent Palestinian government will be coddled and plumped up with so much cash (as was the case in Oslo) that it will take several years before the fissures of corruption and lack of work ethic become apparent, leading to the decline of Fatah and the rise of Hamas (at which point your mode of thinking becomes more relevant, though I still have disagreements).

    Furthermore, the process of Israeli withdrawal will be a gradual one. Outlying settlements will be removed, followed by a gradual scaling back of military control in conjunction with confidence-building measures (joint patrols, intelligence sharing, etc). Again, this is all Oslo. If what you say is true, it will only be after the IDF withdraws that the Arabs will converge on Jewish towns. This means that the Jews of Yosh would still have time to prepare and assemble.

    But let’s say you’re right. What does it matter? The scenario you have outlined involves the exact same thing. In your scenario, Jews immediately fight Israelis and Arabs. In my scenario (you say) Jews immediately fight Arabs. So I don’t get what the issue is.”

    __________

    To be clear, I do expect a Palestinian state to eventually devolve into all-out anti-Semitism, especially in the virtually guaranteed and fully expected scenario of Hamas’ hostile takeover of the Palestinian Authority. However, it will not be instantaneous. There will definitely be incidents in mixed Jewish-Arab towns such as Hebron, but it will take longer for us to see organized, official, formidable anti-Semitism (excessive taxation of Jewish businesses, enforced caps on Jewish reproduction, dhimmi laws, violent suppression of subsequent Jewish quasi-nonviolent protest). Furthermore, even if it is instantaneous, there is no disadvantage here when compared to Vienna Mike’s plan. Indeed, an instant attack on the Jews might prove advantageous because it will serve as a call to action for both the Jews of Yosh and sympathetic onlookers in Israel and the Diaspora.

    I should also emphasize…the more time the better. More time until Palestine moves against its Jews means more time to establish businesses, make contacts with the Diaspora, have babies, and learn Arabic.

    Also, this should all be done as stealthily as possible. The nationalist sentiment among the settlers needs to go dormant, lest the Arabs catch on and nip the movement in the bud. Here’s an example of how not to do things:

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/167490

    (My suggestion to Ben-Gvir here is to calm down. The front charities will be established. The bribes will be paid. He’ll get his weapons, but he should stop making a scene.)

    Here’s an example from the history of the Zionist movement of how to do things right. The following is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry on the First Aliyah:

    __________________

    Morris provides excerpts from letters written in 1882 by these first arrivals:

    * Ben-Yehuda, who settled in Jerusalem in September 1881, wrote in July 1882 to Peretz Smolenskin in Vienna: “The thing we must do now is to become as strong as we can, to conquer the country, covertly, bit by bit … We will not set up committees so that the Arabs will know what we are after, we shall act like silent spies, we shall buy, buy, buy.”[12]
    * In October 1882 Ben-Yehuda and Yehiel Michael Pines, who had arrived in Palestine in 1878, wrote to Rashi Pin, in Vilna: “We have made it a rule not to say too much, except to those … we trust … the goal is to revive our nation on its land … if only we succeed in increasing our numbers here until we are the majority [Emphasis in original] …. There are now only five hundred [thousand] Arabs, who are not very strong, and from whom we shall easily take away the country if only we do it through stratagems [and] without drawing upon us their hostility before we become the strong and populous ones.”[13]

    _____________________

    Now let’s talk numbers. You’ve found the biggest weakness in my argument. If it’s just a few dozen families manning Judea in Hebron and Samaria in Yitzhar, this won’t be enough to carry out my plan. This is why I’m going to be traveling through Yosh shortly. I want to get a sense of whether love of land trumps love of state enough for there to be a future sizeable Jewish minority in Palestine. But to be honest, I can’t account for how many Jews will opt to remain. I can’t account for how many Palestinian Arabs living in Jordan and Syria and Lebanon wish to return to Palestine. I can’t account for whether the future Palestinian government will take active steps to break up and dilute future Jewish population centers in a plan similar to the Israeli Koenig Memorandum. These are all wild cards. I wait patiently to see how things will pan out.

    But it doesn’t bother me much. As I’ve said, this conflict is not leaving us. With or without a Jewish minority, the future state of Palestine will find itself in conflict with Jews. The point is that the “two states for two peoples” platform advocated by Vienna Mike is both good and inevitable. How it will be achieved has yet to be seen. But I maintain that if many Jews can be persuaded to remain on that land as Palestinian citizens, they should do so. It strikes me as a course of action far preferable to an armed conflict that simultaneously invites two fronts and drains a massive pool of potential support.

    One more thing…

    It might seem odd that I’m putting so much effort into this, but I emphasize again that it seems very likely that there will eventually be a separate halachic Jewish state, and blogs like Vienna Mike’s will become increasingly popular. Indeed, this one may become the flagship (as it’s the most serious one I’ve found). People will commit these writings to manuscript and circulate them (I know someone who plans on doing that already). Therefore, I think it’s important to put these views out there so that if my suggestions cross over into reality, these writings can be enhanced with the amendments necessitated by changing circumstances.

  4. Greg Cheslow Says:

    Sk,

    Just tried to post a long response, but it hasn’t appeared yet. Stay tuned, I guess.

  5. Greg Cheslow Says:

    I guess I’ll have to deliver it in pieces. The filter probably caught it because it’s too hefty.

    _________

    I shall restate my stance now and also address your queries.

    Essentially, I agree with Vienna Mike that Israel’s secular/religious identity crisis (the Arabs are another issue altogether) is best solved by establishing a separate halachic Jewish state. No two-state solution between Jews and Arabs on such a small tract of land will solve the conflict, especially as long as Arabs maintain a growing population in the Galilee and northern Negev (not to mention the Arabs’ oft-publicized goal of reclaiming Falasteen from the crusading Zionists). Therefore, any Israel/Palestine paradigm only puts off the inevitable. Nevertheless, Israel/Palestine could serve a useful purpose.

    Though I disagree with the stratagem of waging a brutal guerilla war on Israel in order to assert a separate national identity (Yehudah), I understand the desire to finally rid oneself of the pseudo-Judaic state that arrogantly displays the Menorah as its national emblem even as it conducts its annual Hellenist Maccabee games (a true abomination of the memory of those proud Jewish fighters). Nevertheless, I maintain that conducting this national divorce amicably maximizes advantages on several fronts.

    1) The halachic issue of Jews fighting Jews is rendered irrelevant.

    2) A two-front war (Jews fighting against both Israelis and Arabs) is turned into a much more reasonable one-front war (Jews fighting Arabs).

    3) The Jews secure for themselves a considerable support system. I maintain that Israelis (religious and secular) and rich Diaspora Jews would be much more willing to underwrite and staff a guerilla campaign if they do not need to revisit bad memories of Jew-on-Jew violence. By killing rich, spoiled, secular Israelis in Tel Aviv (many of whom hate Arabs), you not only invite upon yourself the near impossibility of winning a two-front war against the determined Arabs and the hi-tech Israelis, you also alienate yourself from a massive pool of support from both Israel and the Diaspora.

    How is this amicable divorce conducted? The answer is by establishing an organized Palestinian Jewry that is vigorously fertile, relentlessly productive, irritatingly tribal, and disassociated from Israel.

    During my first exchange with Vienna Mike and a few of his subscribers, I mentioned that Arafat had said at one point that he would be amenable to a Jewish minority in a future Palestinian state. I had also heard and read the issue broached occasionally by various Israeli pundits in articles and lectures. Since then, I have provided links to articles demonstrating that Ahmed Qureia (chief Palestinian negotiator) and Salam Fayyad (Palestinian prime minister) would be willing to allow Jews to remain in Judea and Samaria.

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1088237.html

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443725800&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    Also, I have seen the issue raised more and more in various other articles. A recent example is http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1095237.html

    This all leads me to believe that, as the Israeli administration grasps the impossibility of maintaining a benign occupation and as the Palestinian administration recognizes the impossibility of uprooting hundreds of thousands of Jews, the scenario of a Palestinian Jewry is becoming more and more likely.

    Palestinian Arabs are already willing to allow settlers to remain in Yosh. Jews could encourage this development by taking down Israeli flags (not burning them), refraining from celebrating Israeli national holidays (not damning them), and publicly declaring their disappointment with (not outrage at) the secular Zionist project. “We’re going back to waiting patiently for Moshiach…the real one.” It is important that the Arabs no longer see the settlers as agents of Israel, but instead as a reasonably well-behaved and economically productive future minority in a Palestinian state. You know, those good old-fashioned docile Jews we always read about in history books covering Berlin or Baghdad.

    But what are we to make of a Jewish minority in Palestine? What do the history books tell us about reasonably well-behaved and economically productive Jewish minorities in Berlin and Baghdad? They tell us that Jews face animosity nearly wherever they go (and especially where they succeed). From Pharaoh to Hitler, the trend of paranoia over us growing too numerous and/or powerful is tried and true. The point is to encourage and ACCELERATE this well-worn process by being…

    1) Industrious – Establish the economic disparity between hard-working Jews and less-motivated Arabs. Collect financial influence. Focus on businesses that are useful during wartime. For example, Vienna Mike says in the comments section of “Two States for Two Peoples” that Jatropha can be used for both biodiesel and cover for ground operations. Fine, so those farmers in Yitzhar can plant a field of Jatropha next to their vineyards. Someone once told me that you can use PVC pipe to make rocket launchers. Fine, so build a factory that produces PVC pipe. Both enterprises are innocuous during peacetime and useful during wartime.

    2) Fertile – Fill the ranks. Israeli Jews bite their nails over the Arab demographic threat in the Galilee. Give the Palestinian Arabs a demographic threat to worry about. Even if the threat is negligible, there is no good argument against having more Jews in Yosh.

    3) Sustainable – All the stuff VM talks about. Compost toilets and what not. It will help to raise the necessary spartan society and, again, make the population more formidable during wartime.

    4) Tribal – Avodah Ivrit all the way. The Arabs can look, but they can’t touch. Piss them off.

    Advancing a Palestinian Jewish culture encompassing these facets will allow the Jews of Yosh to become increasingly powerful while inviting animosity from their Arab hosts. When persecution is finally dealt out, the Jews (with nearby support in Israel, camaraderie from the Diaspora, and a determination to hold the holy ground) can throw a historical curve ball: retaliation. I’m not talking about the Warsaw Uprising. I’m talking about Bar Kochba, Judah Maccabee, and possibly Vienna Mike if he chooses to reveal himself eventually (hopefully he has a more Hebraic name than his online alias). I’m talking about the birth of a nation. I’m talking about everything Vienna Mike talks about in his excellent writings on self-liberation.

  6. Greg Cheslow Says:

    As far as time, I think we’re talking about years, not weeks or months. Between the IDF gradually withdrawing and the PA trying to show the world that it can do the democracy thing (in return for more aid, not because of genuine interest), the Jews of Yosh may be able to raise a generation until things get truly bad. Or, maybe Hamas will take over right away and accelerate things even more. But either way, I disagree with Vienna Mike’s notion that these new Palestinian Jews would be instantly consumed in a Holocaust of hatchets and knives. I am going to copy and paste an abridged version of my answer to that claim from another comment of mine:

    __________

    “I understand that you think the Muslims want to instantly slaughter the Jews. I maintain that such a situation will arise eventually, but it will take time. Fatah will be operating under the auspices of the international community and will instantly lose the legitimacy and money it needs if it immediately embarks on a campaign of genocide (or does not actively prevent a genocide at the hands of Hamas). The nascent Palestinian government will be coddled and plumped up with so much cash (as was the case in Oslo) that it will take several years before the fissures of corruption and lack of work ethic become apparent, leading to the decline of Fatah and the rise of Hamas (at which point your mode of thinking becomes more relevant, though I still have disagreements).

    Furthermore, the process of Israeli withdrawal will be a gradual one. Outlying settlements will be removed, followed by a gradual scaling back of military control in conjunction with confidence-building measures (joint patrols, intelligence sharing, etc). Again, this is all Oslo. If what you say is true, it will only be after the IDF withdraws that the Arabs will converge on Jewish towns. This means that the Jews of Yosh would still have time to prepare and assemble.

    But let’s say you’re right. What does it matter? The scenario you have outlined involves the exact same thing. In your scenario, Jews immediately fight Israelis and Arabs. In my scenario (you say) Jews immediately fight Arabs. So I don’t get what the issue is.”

    __________

    To be clear, I do expect a Palestinian state to eventually devolve into all-out anti-Semitism, especially in the virtually guaranteed and fully expected scenario of Hamas’ hostile takeover of the Palestinian Authority. However, it will not be instantaneous. There will definitely be incidents in mixed Jewish-Arab towns such as Hebron, but it will take longer for us to see organized, official, formidable anti-Semitism (excessive taxation of Jewish businesses, enforced caps on Jewish reproduction, dhimmi laws, violent suppression of subsequent Jewish quasi-nonviolent protest). Furthermore, even if it is instantaneous, there is no disadvantage here when compared to Vienna Mike’s plan. Indeed, an instant attack on the Jews might prove advantageous because it will serve as a call to action for both the Jews of Yosh and sympathetic onlookers in Israel and the Diaspora.

    I should also emphasize…the more time the better. More time until Palestine moves against its Jews means more time to establish businesses, make contacts with the Diaspora, have babies, and learn Arabic.

    Also, this should all be done as stealthily as possible. The nationalist sentiment among the settlers needs to go dormant, lest the Arabs catch on and nip the movement in the bud. Here’s an example of how not to do things:

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/167490

    (My suggestion to Ben-Gvir here is to calm down. The front charities will be established. The bribes will be paid. He’ll get his weapons, but he should stop making a scene.)

    Here’s an example from the history of the Zionist movement of how to do things right. The following is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry on the First Aliyah:

    __________________

    Morris provides excerpts from letters written in 1882 by these first arrivals:

    * Ben-Yehuda, who settled in Jerusalem in September 1881, wrote in July 1882 to Peretz Smolenskin in Vienna: “The thing we must do now is to become as strong as we can, to conquer the country, covertly, bit by bit … We will not set up committees so that the Arabs will know what we are after, we shall act like silent spies, we shall buy, buy, buy.”[12]
    * In October 1882 Ben-Yehuda and Yehiel Michael Pines, who had arrived in Palestine in 1878, wrote to Rashi Pin, in Vilna: “We have made it a rule not to say too much, except to those … we trust … the goal is to revive our nation on its land … if only we succeed in increasing our numbers here until we are the majority [Emphasis in original] …. There are now only five hundred [thousand] Arabs, who are not very strong, and from whom we shall easily take away the country if only we do it through stratagems [and] without drawing upon us their hostility before we become the strong and populous ones.”[13]

    _____________________

    Now let’s talk numbers. You’ve found the biggest weakness in my argument. If it’s just a few dozen families manning Judea in Hebron and Samaria in Yitzhar, this won’t be enough to carry out my plan (though it would be sufficient to ignite resistance from nearby settlement blocs perhaps absorbed into Israel proper). This is why I’m going to be traveling through Yosh shortly. I want to get a sense of whether love of land trumps love of state enough for there to be a future sizeable Jewish minority in Palestine. But to be honest, I can’t account for how many Jews will opt to remain. I can’t account for how many Palestinian Arabs living in Jordan and Syria and Lebanon wish to return to Palestine. I can’t account for whether the future Palestinian government will take active steps to break up and dilute future Jewish population centers in a plan similar to the Israeli Koenig Memorandum. These are all wild cards. I wait patiently to see how things will pan out.

    But it doesn’t bother me much. As I’ve said, this conflict is not leaving us. With or without a Jewish minority, the future state of Palestine will find itself in conflict with Jews. The point is that the “two states for two peoples” platform advocated by Vienna Mike is both good and inevitable. How it will be achieved has yet to be seen. But I maintain that if many Jews can be persuaded to remain on that land as Palestinian citizens, they should do so. It strikes me as a course of action far preferable to an armed conflict that simultaneously invites two fronts and drains a massive pool of potential support.

    One more thing…

    It might seem odd that I’m putting so much effort into this, but I emphasize again that it seems very likely that there will eventually be a separate halachic Jewish state, and blogs like Vienna Mike’s will become increasingly popular. Indeed, this one may become the flagship (as it’s the most serious one I’ve found). People will commit these writings to manuscript and circulate them (I know someone who plans on doing that already). Therefore, I think it’s important to put these views out there so that if my suggestions cross over into reality, these writings can be enhanced with the amendments necessitated by changing circumstances.

  7. Greg Cheslow Says:

    As far as time, I think we’re talking about years, not weeks or months. Between the IDF gradually withdrawing and the PA trying to show the world that it can do the democracy thing (in return for more aid, not because of genuine interest), the Jews of Yosh may be able to raise a generation until things get truly bad. Or, maybe Hamas will take over right away and accelerate things even more. But either way, I disagree with Vienna Mike’s notion that these new Palestinian Jews would be instantly consumed in a Holocaust of hatchets and knives. I am going to copy and paste an abridged version of my answer to that claim from another comment of mine:

    __________

    “I understand that you think the Muslims want to instantly slaughter the Jews. I maintain that such a situation will arise eventually, but it will take time. Fatah will be operating under the auspices of the international community and will instantly lose the legitimacy and money it needs if it immediately embarks on a campaign of genocide (or does not actively prevent a genocide at the hands of Hamas). The nascent Palestinian government will be coddled and plumped up with so much cash (as was the case in Oslo) that it will take several years before the fissures of corruption and lack of work ethic become apparent, leading to the decline of Fatah and the rise of Hamas (at which point your mode of thinking becomes more relevant, though I still have disagreements).

    Furthermore, the process of Israeli withdrawal will be a gradual one. Outlying settlements will be removed, followed by a gradual scaling back of military control in conjunction with confidence-building measures (joint patrols, intelligence sharing, etc). Again, this is all Oslo. If what you say is true, it will only be after the IDF withdraws that the Arabs will converge on Jewish towns. This means that the Jews of Yosh would still have time to prepare and assemble.

    But let’s say you’re right. What does it matter? The scenario you have outlined involves the exact same thing. In your scenario, Jews immediately fight Israelis and Arabs. In my scenario (you say) Jews immediately fight Arabs. So I don’t get what the issue is.”

    __________

    To be clear, I do expect a Palestinian state to eventually devolve into all-out anti-Semitism, especially in the virtually guaranteed and fully expected scenario of Hamas’ hostile takeover of the Palestinian Authority. However, it will not be instantaneous. There will definitely be incidents in mixed Jewish-Arab towns such as Hebron, but it will take longer for us to see organized, official, formidable anti-Semitism (excessive taxation of Jewish businesses, enforced caps on Jewish reproduction, dhimmi laws, violent suppression of subsequent Jewish quasi-nonviolent protest). Furthermore, even if it is instantaneous, there is no disadvantage here when compared to Vienna Mike’s plan. Indeed, an instant attack on the Jews might prove advantageous because it will serve as a call to action for both the Jews of Yosh and sympathetic onlookers in Israel and the Diaspora.

    I should also emphasize…the more time the better. More time until Palestine moves against its Jews means more time to establish businesses, make contacts with the Diaspora, have babies, and learn Arabic.

    Also, this should all be done as stealthily as possible. The nationalist sentiment among the settlers needs to go dormant, lest the Arabs catch on and nip the movement in the bud. Here’s an example of how not to do things:

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/167490

    (My suggestion to Ben-Gvir here is to calm down. The front charities will be established. The bribes will be paid. He’ll get his weapons, but he should stop making a scene.)

    Here’s an example from the history of the Zionist movement of how to do things right. The following is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry on the First Aliyah:

    __________________

    Morris provides excerpts from letters written in 1882 by these first arrivals:

    * Ben-Yehuda, who settled in Jerusalem in September 1881, wrote in July 1882 to Peretz Smolenskin in Vienna: “The thing we must do now is to become as strong as we can, to conquer the country, covertly, bit by bit … We will not set up committees so that the Arabs will know what we are after, we shall act like silent spies, we shall buy, buy, buy.”[12]
    * In October 1882 Ben-Yehuda and Yehiel Michael Pines, who had arrived in Palestine in 1878, wrote to Rashi Pin, in Vilna: “We have made it a rule not to say too much, except to those … we trust … the goal is to revive our nation on its land … if only we succeed in increasing our numbers here until we are the majority [Emphasis in original] …. There are now only five hundred [thousand] Arabs, who are not very strong, and from whom we shall easily take away the country if only we do it through stratagems [and] without drawing upon us their hostility before we become the strong and populous ones.”[13]

  8. Greg Cheslow Says:

    Oy.

    Sorry about all the repetition. I guess I should have more faith in Word Press.

  9. Vienna Mike Says:

    A note to all — the spam filter REALLY likes to eat messages with multiple links. To get around this problem, don’t make your links look like links to the robot, for example by replacing “http” with “hxxp” or omitting it altogether.

    As for PVC pipe and rockets, indeed rocket candy powered rockets made out of PVC pipe with cement deLaval nozzles are quite popular among experimental rocketry enthusiasts and have been used in combat by Hamas. For civilian examples, I recommend the work of Richard Nakka and Dan Pollino’s excellent K450 rocket engine, a step-by-step guide for the construction of which is available from Amazon.

  10. Greg Cheslow Says:

    Noted.

    I have just discovered that Obadiah Shoher suggests a course of action virtually identical to the one I advocate. Though I’ve criticized him before on this blog, I’ll say kudos to him on this one.

    hxxp://samsonblinded.org/news/palestine-welcomes-jewish-settlers-12178

    hxxp://samsonblinded.org/blog/a-state-for-stateless-jews.htm

    Still waiting and watching. With pressure increasing from the EU and US, it’s only a matter of time before we discover the fate of the settlements.

  11. sk Says:

    Mike, can you remove the duplicates in Greg’s postings? No point in having extra clutter.

    Greg, I asked for specific numbers and timetables. Actually, I’ll quote myself:

    “Please operationalize. Pretend you’re a scientist. Specifically, please begin by indicating (with appropriate 95% confidence intervals) how long the Yesha Jews will have to “prepare” and “nurture a culture of sustainability,” etc. Please indicate the number of Jews you expect to take this gamble. That sort of thing. No flights of fancy will count as a satisfactory answer.”

    You offer instead a flight of fancy that reminds me of the overcomplex arguments supporting the Disengagement/Expulsion/Pogrom. These arguments also went viral, which does not establish that they had any merit, just that they were repeated a lot. Furthermore, when I look at some of the moving parts here, I am astonished.

    For example, there is this choice piece:

    “During my first exchange with Vienna Mike and a few of his subscribers, I mentioned that Arafat had said at one point that he would be amenable to a Jewish minority in a future Palestinian state. I had also heard and read the issue broached occasionally by various Israeli pundits in articles and lectures. Since then, I have provided links to articles demonstrating that Ahmed Qureia (chief Palestinian negotiator) and Salam Fayyad (Palestinian prime minister) would be willing to allow Jews to remain in Judea and Samaria.”

    Oh, so I guess that when Bnei Amalek says something, it is to be taken as “demonstrated” and truthful? What are you thinking? There are no “Palestinians,” and even if there were, there is no “chief negotiator” or “prime minister.” These are just deceptive labels for Western consumption.

    But let’s backup and discuss interests. What outcome is best for the Israeli elite? In other words, what do the elite wants? They want an Israel that includes few Jewish Jews, contains the coastal areas, and excludes anything of Jewish significance, including the Old City. The best way to get that sustainably is to have Jewish Jews living in the areas the Israelis would prefer not to have and outside of Israel. While the Israeli elite hate and fear Jews more than Arabs, that’s only when the Jews live in Israel. Thus, one can easily imagine a quintessential win-win situation.

    What outcome is best for the Bnei Amalek living in Eretz Israel? Of course, the best outcome is slaughtering all the Jews, as this is what Bnei Amalek is about. And having Jewish Jews concentrated in Yesha is intrinsically a worse situation than the status quo. What do you tink that the dear “negotiator” and “prime minister” will really do, hmm? You think that a few trinkets from the West will buy them off and stop them from slaughtering the Jews? C’mon. Be serious.

  12. Greg Cheslow Says:

    Sorry about the clutter.

    Maybe I should just wait until we find out the fate of the settlements, which should be happening in the near future.

    Then I won’t need to deal with this claim that the Palestinians are just lying about allowing a Jewish minority.

    Once we know what is to become of the settlements, we can discuss things more matter of fact.

  13. sk Says:

    Greg, no offfense, but is this the best you can do? And how exactly will the fate of the “settlements” be determned “in the near future”? How could this provide evidence regarding the honesty of Muslims?

    Are you saying that we will learn ANYTHING new about the Fakestinians after 60 years? Or anything new about how Muslims treat Jews after the last 1000 years?

  14. Velvel Says:

    For Greg Cheslow:

    “Abbas has refused to meet with Netanyahu, saying Netanyahu must first stop building homes for Jews in Judea and Samaria. The PA has refused to negotiate without a construction freeze, and demands that Jews living in Judea and Samaria ultimately be forced to leave, despite a recent promise from PA Prime Minister Salam Fayyad that Jews would be allowed to live in a PA-led Arab state in the region.

    Abbas has also demanded a contiguous stretch of land connecting Gaza with Judea and Samaria, a concession that would split Israel in half. He has refused to recognize Israel as the Jewish homeland or the give up the demand for the “right of return,” which would grant millions of foreign Arabs Israeli citizenship.”

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132384

    Get real.

  15. sk Says:

    Hey Mike! My response was caught in the filter, and it had no URLs!

  16. Greg Cheslow Says:

    Maybe you’re right. As I said, we’ll see. If it turns out that the West Bank becomes Jew-free (as Abbas supposedly demanded), we will operate according to that reality. If it turns out that there is a Palestinian Jewry (as Qureia and Fayyad said there can be), we’ll take it from there.

    It shouldn’t be long now.

  17. sk Says:

    In other words, Greg, you have no intention of addressing the specific questions and points I made above. Instead, you assert that the reality will somehow become manifest shortly, though this reality has already had at least 15 years to show itself. Talk about a rationale for inaction!

    Moreover, while you were quick to believe Queria and Fayyad when you thought they supported your argument, now you insert a “supposedly” before the word “demanded” in relation to Abbas, casting doubt on whether Abbas really demanded what Velvel reports.

    When I read your essays, all I see is magical thinking. Those who read these essays carelessly may find them compelling. Yet if one scrutinizes them, they quickly disintegrate, to be replaced with a “reasonable sounding” call to do nothing.

    One thing I can for Vienna Mike, he never engages in magical thinking.

  18. Greg Cheslow Says:

    I do think VM’s suggestion to wage a two-front war while draining support from Israelis and Diaspora Jews (and much of the world for that matter) is a tad magical.

    I looked for the story about Abbas on other news sites and could not find it. This is why I said “supposedly.”

    Barring a major catastrophe, Israel’s withdrawal from much of Judea and Samaria will take place within the next few years.

    If (again, if) it turns out that there’s a sizeable community of Palestinian Jews left behind, then perhaps we can engage the issue more seriously. I’ll be glad to report my findings after traveling to a series of settlements and talking to residents there about whether they would stay or leave.

  19. Vienna Mike Says:

    Magical thinking, huh? It might look that way at first glance, but re-read the course summary of self-liberation 101 and you will see that it is not magic at all, it is judo on a national scale.

    The Israelis THEMSELVES will help to establish the fortresses of Medinat Yehudah. They will VOLUNTARILY withdraw even though they could crush the incipient Medinat Yehudah movement with a snap of their fingers. They will VOLUNTARILY help to arm and equip the Jewish fighting forces. They will VOLUNTARILY provide funding to achieve self-sufficiency and establish military industries. They will trip all over themselves in their eagerness to do it. All in the name of “empowering moderates”.

    By the way, the Eda Haredit is utterly inept compared to Moussavi, but they are neither fools nor incapable of learning by experience. Pay attention to what is happening in Meah Shearim and Geula. This is nothing less than an attempt to create a classic no-go zone for Israeli security forces. The Haredim will just sit in the zone they create and do nothing. All they want is to be left alone. But the lesson here is important.

    The State of Israel is the weakest nation on Earth, with the possible exception of such utter disasters as the Congo or Somalia. The Haredim are proving it daily for all the world to see. Alas, much of the world lacks the eyes to perceive and the specialist knowledge to comprehend what they are perceiving.

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